<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Do open-access electronic journals really help science?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/</link>
	<description>Monkey #121643810 reporting for duty...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:43:49 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/comment-page-1/#comment-2381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/?p=143#comment-2381</guid>
		<description>Clef:

I suspect it&#039;s the &quot;financial viability&quot; of OpEx that others are interested in imitating, not the production quality. Having people submit documents in Word and just throwing them up on a website with minor editorial oversight isn&#039;t even really production. Articles are often full of grammatical and spelling errors. In the current issue, I count at least three grammatical errors in the &lt;em&gt;titles&lt;/em&gt; of the papers, alone. I will say, though, that the website is beautifully done, and well worth emulating.

Finally, I&#039;m pleased to hear no author has been turned away, but it&#039;s kind of pointless to have that policy if you don&#039;t advertise it well. How many people just haven&#039;t bothered to try?

As I said in my opening paragraph, I know Optics Express is extremely popular, and I guess you can&#039;t argue with success. But I nonetheless lament the fact that our most popular journal produces articles of poor visual and editorial quality and puts the OSA in a position of inherent conflict of interest. Maybe the current editors have done a brilliant job of accepting only the highest quality papers, despite the conflict, but it&#039;s best to not have such conflicts of interest to begin with.

And I&#039;m saddened that the efforts of the wonderful editors and staff of journals like Optics Letters and JOSA B are not respected or appreciated enough that the OSA is happy to make Optics Express its flagship journal. The OSA is right to take advantage of modern abilities like online publishing with free access and multimedia. But it&#039;s a real shame that while they adopted flashy new technology, they abandoned the old sober notions of editorial proofreading and professional typesetting. Yes, I know people love OpEx, but the OSA should be setting standards, not blowing with the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clef:</p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s the &#8220;financial viability&#8221; of OpEx that others are interested in imitating, not the production quality. Having people submit documents in Word and just throwing them up on a website with minor editorial oversight isn&#8217;t even really production. Articles are often full of grammatical and spelling errors. In the current issue, I count at least three grammatical errors in the <em>titles</em> of the papers, alone. I will say, though, that the website is beautifully done, and well worth emulating.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m pleased to hear no author has been turned away, but it&#8217;s kind of pointless to have that policy if you don&#8217;t advertise it well. How many people just haven&#8217;t bothered to try?</p>
<p>As I said in my opening paragraph, I know Optics Express is extremely popular, and I guess you can&#8217;t argue with success. But I nonetheless lament the fact that our most popular journal produces articles of poor visual and editorial quality and puts the OSA in a position of inherent conflict of interest. Maybe the current editors have done a brilliant job of accepting only the highest quality papers, despite the conflict, but it&#8217;s best to not have such conflicts of interest to begin with.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m saddened that the efforts of the wonderful editors and staff of journals like Optics Letters and JOSA B are not respected or appreciated enough that the OSA is happy to make Optics Express its flagship journal. The OSA is right to take advantage of modern abilities like online publishing with free access and multimedia. But it&#8217;s a real shame that while they adopted flashy new technology, they abandoned the old sober notions of editorial proofreading and professional typesetting. Yes, I know people love OpEx, but the OSA should be setting standards, not blowing with the wind.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/comment-page-1/#comment-2380</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/?p=143#comment-2380</guid>
		<description>Ken:

I think you&#039;re right. I looked into it, and the Journal of Machine Learning Research somehow pays for everything without any fees. The person who founded it is next door, maybe I&#039;ll get up the nerve to ask her how she funds it. It seems like the ideal model for a journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right. I looked into it, and the Journal of Machine Learning Research somehow pays for everything without any fees. The person who founded it is next door, maybe I&#8217;ll get up the nerve to ask her how she funds it. It seems like the ideal model for a journal.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clef</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/comment-page-1/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>Clef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/?p=143#comment-2377</guid>
		<description>Just a bit of background re: the quality of Optics Express. One of the few objective, quantitative indicators of journal quality is the annual ISI ranking of scholarly journals. From its first appearance, OpEx has remained in the top 10 out of 60 in the ISI field of &quot;optics.&quot; In the last few years, it has ranked first or second (along with the equally distinguished Optics Letters). Actually, the same authors who publish in OSA&#039;s other long-standing &quot;traditional&quot; journals publish in OpEx. Its hard to see how OpEx comprises &quot;marginal content&quot; when the journal is the most-cited publication in optical physics.

As for OpEx being &quot;somewhat lacking&quot; compared to other OA journals: It&#039;s interesting to contemplate that SPARC (the major librarian-based advocate for OA) recruited OpEx as one of its original &quot;Leading Edge&quot; OA journals. As one of the two oldest OA journals, in any field, in the world, nearly every other major publisher of an OA journal has at one time or another come to OpEx to ask for help in &quot;approaching the quality, high production values, and financial viability of OpEx.&quot; No other OA journal is ranked as highly in its field as OpEx. 

To set the record straight about pay-or-publish. In over a decade, no worthy OpEx article has ever been refused because the author was unable to pay. 
And there have been very many such articles.  In fact, OpEx enjoys special funding from its parent organization to assist authors in developing nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a bit of background re: the quality of Optics Express. One of the few objective, quantitative indicators of journal quality is the annual ISI ranking of scholarly journals. From its first appearance, OpEx has remained in the top 10 out of 60 in the ISI field of &#8220;optics.&#8221; In the last few years, it has ranked first or second (along with the equally distinguished Optics Letters). Actually, the same authors who publish in OSA&#8217;s other long-standing &#8220;traditional&#8221; journals publish in OpEx. Its hard to see how OpEx comprises &#8220;marginal content&#8221; when the journal is the most-cited publication in optical physics.</p>
<p>As for OpEx being &#8220;somewhat lacking&#8221; compared to other OA journals: It&#8217;s interesting to contemplate that SPARC (the major librarian-based advocate for OA) recruited OpEx as one of its original &#8220;Leading Edge&#8221; OA journals. As one of the two oldest OA journals, in any field, in the world, nearly every other major publisher of an OA journal has at one time or another come to OpEx to ask for help in &#8220;approaching the quality, high production values, and financial viability of OpEx.&#8221; No other OA journal is ranked as highly in its field as OpEx. </p>
<p>To set the record straight about pay-or-publish. In over a decade, no worthy OpEx article has ever been refused because the author was unable to pay.<br />
And there have been very many such articles.  In fact, OpEx enjoys special funding from its parent organization to assist authors in developing nations.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/comment-page-1/#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/?p=143#comment-2355</guid>
		<description>Yow.  I haven&#039;t published anything recently (unfortunately), but I was unaware of the entire concept of journals charging publication fees to authors.  That&#039;s nuts.  The only fees I&#039;d heard of are for authors who go above some pre-determined limit on number of pages, meant more as a deterrent than a money-maker.

Perhaps this is indeed field-specific; I did some digging at a couple of the preëminent journals in my field (http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/ and http://www.mitpressjournals.org/loi/coli).  One is OA with no apparent fees, the other is non-OA and also has no author fees that I know of.

Also, Word docs??  Do they want readers to spew throwup all over the page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yow.  I haven&#8217;t published anything recently (unfortunately), but I was unaware of the entire concept of journals charging publication fees to authors.  That&#8217;s nuts.  The only fees I&#8217;d heard of are for authors who go above some pre-determined limit on number of pages, meant more as a deterrent than a money-maker.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is indeed field-specific; I did some digging at a couple of the preëminent journals in my field (<a href="http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/</a> and <a href="http://www.mitpressjournals.org/loi/coli)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitpressjournals.org/loi/coli)</a>.  One is OA with no apparent fees, the other is non-OA and also has no author fees that I know of.</p>
<p>Also, Word docs??  Do they want readers to spew throwup all over the page?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/comment-page-1/#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/?p=143#comment-2351</guid>
		<description>Well, in my experience all the major OA journals have page charges, and I&#039;ve never run into a closed journal that has a mandatory page charge. Obviously, as I stated in my final paragraph, I have no problem with an OA journal that is free to authors. Can you cite an peer-reviewed OA journal that doesn&#039;t charge authors that is a top-tier journal, run by a respected group? I&#039;m honestly asking, as I&#039;d like to amend my post if so. In physics, there are none, as far as I know.

For that matter, maybe things are different for closed journals outside of physics. Do you know of any which charge mandatory fees for publication?

You are absolutely right about the production quality. I painted all OA journals with too broad a brush there. PLoS has beautifully typeset, professionally produced articles, for example. I have changed my article accordingly.

My main point, however, was about the integrity of the articles. Saying that &quot;good management&quot; will fix a conflict of interest is a weak argument. That&#039;s like saying we shouldn&#039;t have campaign finance reform, because good politicians will do the right thing. Better to make sure there is no conflict of interest than rely on outliers of human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in my experience all the major OA journals have page charges, and I&#8217;ve never run into a closed journal that has a mandatory page charge. Obviously, as I stated in my final paragraph, I have no problem with an OA journal that is free to authors. Can you cite an peer-reviewed OA journal that doesn&#8217;t charge authors that is a top-tier journal, run by a respected group? I&#8217;m honestly asking, as I&#8217;d like to amend my post if so. In physics, there are none, as far as I know.</p>
<p>For that matter, maybe things are different for closed journals outside of physics. Do you know of any which charge mandatory fees for publication?</p>
<p>You are absolutely right about the production quality. I painted all OA journals with too broad a brush there. PLoS has beautifully typeset, professionally produced articles, for example. I have changed my article accordingly.</p>
<p>My main point, however, was about the integrity of the articles. Saying that &#8220;good management&#8221; will fix a conflict of interest is a weak argument. That&#8217;s like saying we shouldn&#8217;t have campaign finance reform, because good politicians will do the right thing. Better to make sure there is no conflict of interest than rely on outliers of human nature.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PlausibleAccuracy</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/open-access-electronic-journals/comment-page-1/#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>PlausibleAccuracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/?p=143#comment-2350</guid>
		<description>This post is remarkably misinformed.  There are many, many OA journals which have no page charges whatsoever.  Some do, indeed, and I tend to believe that OA journals &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; have slightly higher page charges to the authors to cover production costs.

Do not, however, implicate that &quot;standard&quot; closed journals don&#039;t charge the authors an arm and a leg.  Page charges are levied by just about every closed journal I&#039;ve come across, and are often comparable to those from even &quot;premier&quot; OA journals such as PLoS.  OA journals often provide a means for application of fee waivers as well, if the cost is a true hardship.

While it sounds like the quality of the particular journal you&#039;ve cited here may be somewhat lacking, it&#039;s unfair to plaster this generalization across all OA journals.  The production quality is a consequence of the journal management, not whether it is OA.  Any journal should be concerned with peer review and quality production, as the loss of readership and submissions due to lax practices in these areas will cost far more than allowing a shoddy paper to be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is remarkably misinformed.  There are many, many OA journals which have no page charges whatsoever.  Some do, indeed, and I tend to believe that OA journals <em>should</em> have slightly higher page charges to the authors to cover production costs.</p>
<p>Do not, however, implicate that &#8220;standard&#8221; closed journals don&#8217;t charge the authors an arm and a leg.  Page charges are levied by just about every closed journal I&#8217;ve come across, and are often comparable to those from even &#8220;premier&#8221; OA journals such as PLoS.  OA journals often provide a means for application of fee waivers as well, if the cost is a true hardship.</p>
<p>While it sounds like the quality of the particular journal you&#8217;ve cited here may be somewhat lacking, it&#8217;s unfair to plaster this generalization across all OA journals.  The production quality is a consequence of the journal management, not whether it is OA.  Any journal should be concerned with peer review and quality production, as the loss of readership and submissions due to lax practices in these areas will cost far more than allowing a shoddy paper to be published.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
