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	<title>Comments on: In defense of Google&#8217;s Street View, and thoughts on Internet privacy</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the comment, simon. why are you bothered by the fact that a criminal can look at your house as it was twelve months ago when google first drove by, but not terrified and offended by the fact that they can just drive up and look?!? if your answer is that it&#039;s easier to look it up online and therefore more likely to happen, then you&#039;re missing my point: given all the street pictures now online, why is a criminal more likely to look at your house versus all the millions of others online? they aren&#039;t. with virtually everybody&#039;s house now online, your odds are not increased one bit. if a robber is going to case your house, they are going to case it, online or off. the only thing that streetview changes is that some criminals save gas money by not having to drive by in person.

the only valid objection to having your house&#039;s picture online would be if your house were one of only a few online. but that&#039;s not the case.

as for what gives them the right: this is all in PUBLIC view, simon, and they are creating a digital reproduction of a public space without unduly focusing on anything and creating any more publicity for somebody or something than existed within plain sight the day the image was taken. have you ever taken a picture of a friend, and somebody you don&#039;t know was in a background? should you get sued for showing that picture in public? maybe you should be if you zoom in on the stranger and plaster their photo all over the city. but there is a reasonable usage of that picture between the two extremes.

the key word is reasonable. i think there&#039;s a good case to be made that google&#039;s streetmaps is just that. your reactionary hyperbole leaves no room for any discussion on what is reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the comment, simon. why are you bothered by the fact that a criminal can look at your house as it was twelve months ago when google first drove by, but not terrified and offended by the fact that they can just drive up and look?!? if your answer is that it&#8217;s easier to look it up online and therefore more likely to happen, then you&#8217;re missing my point: given all the street pictures now online, why is a criminal more likely to look at your house versus all the millions of others online? they aren&#8217;t. with virtually everybody&#8217;s house now online, your odds are not increased one bit. if a robber is going to case your house, they are going to case it, online or off. the only thing that streetview changes is that some criminals save gas money by not having to drive by in person.</p>
<p>the only valid objection to having your house&#8217;s picture online would be if your house were one of only a few online. but that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
<p>as for what gives them the right: this is all in PUBLIC view, simon, and they are creating a digital reproduction of a public space without unduly focusing on anything and creating any more publicity for somebody or something than existed within plain sight the day the image was taken. have you ever taken a picture of a friend, and somebody you don&#8217;t know was in a background? should you get sued for showing that picture in public? maybe you should be if you zoom in on the stranger and plaster their photo all over the city. but there is a reasonable usage of that picture between the two extremes.</p>
<p>the key word is reasonable. i think there&#8217;s a good case to be made that google&#8217;s streetmaps is just that. your reactionary hyperbole leaves no room for any discussion on what is reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3820</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think you are looking at the wrong end of the stick here. in my case and many that i have spoken to it is not a matter of you being on there personnally but your property and valuables being on display for the billions. criminals can have a good look at what you have and what your security is like high res pics or not. peodophiles could check out neighbourhoods with children etc etc. who gave you the right to show detailed pictures of you and yours across the world via the internet? whatever happened to the data protection act? this throws it out the window. i though the paparazzi were bad, violating peoples personal lives, now google are doing it to everone across the globe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think you are looking at the wrong end of the stick here. in my case and many that i have spoken to it is not a matter of you being on there personnally but your property and valuables being on display for the billions. criminals can have a good look at what you have and what your security is like high res pics or not. peodophiles could check out neighbourhoods with children etc etc. who gave you the right to show detailed pictures of you and yours across the world via the internet? whatever happened to the data protection act? this throws it out the window. i though the paparazzi were bad, violating peoples personal lives, now google are doing it to everone across the globe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne YOu Know who</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3143</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne YOu Know who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah ha! I found it Professor Green. The Spicuzza thing. Do I win the prize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah ha! I found it Professor Green. The Spicuzza thing. Do I win the prize?</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3099</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google streetview gives a perfect map of our country to any government or organization that would wish to do us harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google streetview gives a perfect map of our country to any government or organization that would wish to do us harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Baki Toktas</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2549</link>
		<dc:creator>Baki Toktas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought we should share the world. I mean if a person goes off the street and  sees a car or someones privacy stuff, does this mean that we shouldnt be looking.

i understand some people doesnt want their property to be on the web, but Google should allow users to control the streetview images other than themselves doing it. Just like uploading photos. Then this way its not their responsibility to think about privacy. Just put a note saying make sure your images are ok or something like that.

But i really like the idea. Its best if its done around tourist areas and musuems etc, i think this would be more beneficial than just doing views of streets. Afterall who care about what your car or property looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we should share the world. I mean if a person goes off the street and  sees a car or someones privacy stuff, does this mean that we shouldnt be looking.</p>
<p>i understand some people doesnt want their property to be on the web, but Google should allow users to control the streetview images other than themselves doing it. Just like uploading photos. Then this way its not their responsibility to think about privacy. Just put a note saying make sure your images are ok or something like that.</p>
<p>But i really like the idea. Its best if its done around tourist areas and musuems etc, i think this would be more beneficial than just doing views of streets. Afterall who care about what your car or property looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Argus</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2427</link>
		<dc:creator>Argus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I add that Google is now blurring faces?
This makes it even more difficult to stalk you, unless they already know who you are and where you live...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I add that Google is now blurring faces?<br />
This makes it even more difficult to stalk you, unless they already know who you are and where you live&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 开进微软 campus 的 Google Maps 街景摄像车 &#124; LiveSino - LiveSide 中文版</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>开进微软 campus 的 Google Maps 街景摄像车 &#124; LiveSino - LiveSide 中文版</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 尽管有一些信息隐私的考量，Google Maps 仍然在不断推广它的街景视图的服务。Windows Live Maps 虽然也曾经测试了一个类似街景视图的服务，Windows Live Local，并且该站点仍然可以访问，但已经不再有什么更新了。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 尽管有一些信息隐私的考量，Google Maps 仍然在不断推广它的街景视图的服务。Windows Live Maps 虽然也曾经测试了一个类似街景视图的服务，Windows Live Local，并且该站点仍然可以访问，但已经不再有什么更新了。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David K</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2329</link>
		<dc:creator>David K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly if someone is that interested enough in you to scour through possible hours of photos to find you... so?  Where is the real danger?  If they are considering hurting you or stealing from you, won&#039;t they already know where you live, or follow you to where you live?  What information are they going to retrieve from this that they couldn&#039;t figure out themselves, a lot more reliably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly if someone is that interested enough in you to scour through possible hours of photos to find you&#8230; so?  Where is the real danger?  If they are considering hurting you or stealing from you, won&#8217;t they already know where you live, or follow you to where you live?  What information are they going to retrieve from this that they couldn&#8217;t figure out themselves, a lot more reliably.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sujay:

The point I was trying to make at the end of the essay was that the perpetrator of the humilation and privacy violation in your hypothetical is gstreetsightings.com, not Google. The former are the ones who bothered to wade through the database and focus on specific images, and they are the digital paparazzi, not Google. If a photographer publishes a picture of you in public that he shot from the street, do you blame the photographer, or the camera company? Google is doing nothing other than representing the real world, making no selection and defining no prominence. If they focused on the people of one street, that would be a privacy violation, but they don&#039;t. I think that&#039;s one reason why the launched with so many cities, instead of just San Jose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sujay:</p>
<p>The point I was trying to make at the end of the essay was that the perpetrator of the humilation and privacy violation in your hypothetical is gstreetsightings.com, not Google. The former are the ones who bothered to wade through the database and focus on specific images, and they are the digital paparazzi, not Google. If a photographer publishes a picture of you in public that he shot from the street, do you blame the photographer, or the camera company? Google is doing nothing other than representing the real world, making no selection and defining no prominence. If they focused on the people of one street, that would be a privacy violation, but they don&#8217;t. I think that&#8217;s one reason why the launched with so many cities, instead of just San Jose.</p>
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		<title>By: Sujay</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Sujay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;technically, their picture is accessible to the billion or so users of the Internet. But that’s not really relevant.&quot;
...
I think it is relevant.  In the real world it is unlikely for me to gather my hundreds of friends to instantly witness X in a compromising position.  But with sites like gstreetsightings.com, the online hordes will certainly prey on unwitting citizens.  I am not proposing censorship, but claiming that Google is now competing for marketshare with paparazzi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;technically, their picture is accessible to the billion or so users of the Internet. But that’s not really relevant.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;<br />
I think it is relevant.  In the real world it is unlikely for me to gather my hundreds of friends to instantly witness X in a compromising position.  But with sites like gstreetsightings.com, the online hordes will certainly prey on unwitting citizens.  I am not proposing censorship, but claiming that Google is now competing for marketshare with paparazzi.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/google-street-view-and-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous: this works, or you can try one of the options on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://contact.jonbirge.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;contact link&lt;/a&gt; on the front page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous: this works, or you can try one of the options on the <a href="http://contact.jonbirge.net" rel="nofollow">contact link</a> on the front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the best way to contact the owner of this blog?</description>
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		<title>By: From Wikipedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>From Wikipedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: From SF Weekly web site</title>
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		<dc:creator>From SF Weekly web site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Open Letter to the Wikimedia Foundation

To Whom It May Concern:

I do not participate on Wikipedia, nor do I use it as a source. I am none of the persons I am being accused of and do not suffer from Dissociative Identity Disorder, formerly known as MPD. My attorney, Richard Rosenthal, has been supplied with these facts along with a request that all false claims, slanderous remarks and defaming content concerning me be removed promptly from the site. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Jeanne Marie Spicuzza

Comment by Jeanne Marie Spicuzza — February 13, 2008 @ 04:04PM


I edited this story and I can assure you that Mary did not get fired for this story or any other. Mary decided to leave the paper to take a job with a local documentary filmmaker. She gave her notice before the Wikipedia story was published. She disclosed to me early in the reporting process her sister&#039;s fights with Griot and her sister&#039;s role is mentioned high up in our story. Bottom line: We stand by the story.

Comment by Will Harper, Managing Editor, SF Weekly — February 26, 2008 @ 01:55PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Open Letter to the Wikimedia Foundation</p>
<p>To Whom It May Concern:</p>
<p>I do not participate on Wikipedia, nor do I use it as a source. I am none of the persons I am being accused of and do not suffer from Dissociative Identity Disorder, formerly known as MPD. My attorney, Richard Rosenthal, has been supplied with these facts along with a request that all false claims, slanderous remarks and defaming content concerning me be removed promptly from the site. Thank you.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Jeanne Marie Spicuzza</p>
<p>Comment by Jeanne Marie Spicuzza — February 13, 2008 @ 04:04PM</p>
<p>I edited this story and I can assure you that Mary did not get fired for this story or any other. Mary decided to leave the paper to take a job with a local documentary filmmaker. She gave her notice before the Wikipedia story was published. She disclosed to me early in the reporting process her sister&#8217;s fights with Griot and her sister&#8217;s role is mentioned high up in our story. Bottom line: We stand by the story.</p>
<p>Comment by Will Harper, Managing Editor, SF Weekly — February 26, 2008 @ 01:55PM</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting observations. On the subject of violating online privacy, you might be interested in this case.

Mary Spicuzza, a journalist for the SF Weekly, attempted to unmask an anonymous editor at Wikipedia who had offender her sister by urging other editors to take down her sister&#039;s vanity article. She wrote an article about it -- an interesting article about how the tormentor had bothered her sister, Jeanne Marie Spicuzza. You can read about the episode here:

http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-02-13/news/wikipedia-idiots-the-edit-wars-of-san-francisco/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators&#039;_noticeboard/IncidentArchive372</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting observations. On the subject of violating online privacy, you might be interested in this case.</p>
<p>Mary Spicuzza, a journalist for the SF Weekly, attempted to unmask an anonymous editor at Wikipedia who had offender her sister by urging other editors to take down her sister&#8217;s vanity article. She wrote an article about it &#8212; an interesting article about how the tormentor had bothered her sister, Jeanne Marie Spicuzza. You can read about the episode here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-02-13/news/wikipedia-idiots-the-edit-wars-of-san-francisco/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-02-13/news/wikipedia-idiots-the-edit-wars-of-san-francisco/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators</a>&#8216;_noticeboard/IncidentArchive372</p>
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